Source: Knicks, Pacers talked J.R. Smith-Chris Copeland deal
11-03-2014, 07:38 AM,
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One of president Phil Jackson’s big decisions this season is whether to trade J.R. Smith, and the club had recent conversations with the Pacers regarding ex-Knick Chris Copeland, according to a league source.

The 6-foot-9 Copeland, whom the Pacers signed in July 2013, has an expiring contract after bolting the Knicks for a two-year, $6 million deal, so he wouldn’t affect their 2015 cap space.

Smith, meanwhile, can opt out of the $6.4 million he has coming in 2015-16, but there’s still a chance he will wait to be a free agent until 2016 when the salary cap is expected to rise dramatically. The Knicks are trying to open up as much cap space as possible and would benefit if Smith opts out or if they trade him for an expiring contract.

Through three games, Copeland, a combo forward, is averaging 16 points, 4.7 rebounds and 2.7 assists in 30 minutes, though he is still coming off the bench. Last season, Copeland was an afterthought, getting into 41 contests and not making a single start. He had a strong season off the bench with the Knicks in 2012-13 after being plucked out of the Belgian League by European scout Kevin Wilson.

According to a source, Jackson has no plans to make any deals until Dec. 15 — a key NBA date as 2014 free-agent signees and 2014 draft picks are eligible to be traded.

Before training camp began, Jackson made an interesting remark in a Q and A with The Post’s Steve Serby when discussing Smith, comparing him to Dennis Rodman but being unclear on his future.

“I don’t know if that’s possible or not,’’ Jackson said when asked how to cure Smith’s off-the-court immature antics. “He might be one of those guys that’s a little bit like Dennis Rodman, that has an outlier kind of side to him. But I’m going to get to know him as we go along, and we’ll find a way to either make him a very useful player in our organization, or whatever.’’

Entering the season, the Pacers lost a lot of firepower at the wing with Paul George’s season-ending leg injury, Lance Stephenson’s free-agent departure and even Danny Granger’s exit. The Pacers could use an experienced wing scorer, though Smith comes with baggage, recent back spasms and a sore hip.

Smith is getting more used to the triangle’s flow after a brutal preseason in which he called it “a struggle.’’

After shooting 2-of-8 in the season opener, Smith scored 11 points with seven assists Thursday in Cleveland but regressed Sunday, as he finished with seven points on 3-of-7 shooting with four turnovers and two assists.in the Knicks’ 96-93 victory. The Knicks have a logjam at shooting guard with Iman Shumpert and Tim Hardaway.


Amar’e Stoudemire’s wife, Alexis, ran Sunday’s New York City Marathon. She recently was inducted into her high school Hall of Fame in Arizona in volleyball and track.

“She’s the athlete in the family,’’ Stoudemire cracked, adding she is considering doing his vinotherapy (wine bath) Monday.


Andrea Bargnani is still at least several games away from making his season debut, according to coach Derek Fisher, with next week the earliest he can return.

The Knicks originally stated Bargnani would be out the first three games, but Fisher said with the busy week, they may not have a full practice until next week, but may ease Bargnani in with contact drills.

“I don’t necessarily forsee it,’’ Fisher said of Bargnani coming back this week. “Hopefully it’s soon. That’s the best answer. Andrea is progressing. I don’ think it’s fair to put a player out there before he has practiced.’’
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11-03-2014, 08:28 AM,
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Hmmmmmm
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11-03-2014, 08:49 AM,
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(11-03-2014, 08:28 AM)dakomish Wrote:  Hmmmmmm


Those are my sauces! :cool:
Game 7 of the Championship series Against the Lakers with Wilt! 

 Red: You know my mama wanted me to be a Coach.

 Willis: My dad wanted me to be a basketball player.

 Red: Well you're better than any player I ever had. And you're the best God damn player I ever saw. Suit up.
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11-03-2014, 01:28 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-03-2014, 01:28 PM by ancientyankee.)
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(11-03-2014, 08:49 AM)bigjeep8 Wrote:  
(11-03-2014, 08:28 AM)dakomish Wrote:  Hmmmmmm


Those are my sauces! :cool:


If those are your sauces, Jeep, what you're serving is all gravy and no meat. :D
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11-03-2014, 02:04 PM,
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It's a downgrade ability wise. Only true positive is the 6 mil in cap space that opens up. Maybe if that deal happened we wouldn't be throwing youngsters to the curb
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11-03-2014, 02:05 PM,
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"...we’ll find a way to either make him a very useful player in our organization, or whatever."

LOL
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11-03-2014, 03:11 PM,
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Another stupid move, We could have had Copeland for free.
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11-03-2014, 03:43 PM,
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(11-03-2014, 03:11 PM)Dr_Pitbull Wrote:  Another stupid move, We could have had Copeland for free.


exactly
   

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11-03-2014, 04:23 PM,
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It's a great tanking move. Other than that not sure what it does for us besides cap space which seem important to fill hence why he didn't exercise Larkins option.
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11-03-2014, 06:50 PM,
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At this point, Copeland might even make us better. I'm tired of the JR Smith Dr. Jeckel/Mr. Hyde act; when he's off, he hurts us a lot more than help. I thought that Woodson underused Copeland two years ago. Guy could have been a bigger difference for us in the Pacers series.
Paying stars big NOW for what they did in the PAST since 2001.
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11-04-2014, 01:43 PM,
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If JR had a more consistent game and attitude I'd never do this deal. As it is, I don't know. We don't have a real backup for Melo at SF unless we go small with one of the PGs. Copeland doesn't have a lot of track record, but we know he can shoot 3's. And Early is a project for down the road somewhere.
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11-04-2014, 02:08 PM,
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Why trade a guy who can play for one who can't? Copeland is a good 10th man, but you can get guys like him cheap, and they are available every off season.

As far as his attitude, what attitude? He shows up every day for work and is getting more acclimated every day. He's passing the ball better and making a better effort on defense, yet is not scoring the way he used too. Main reason is, they don;t want him to do that, so he's not.

In 2016 the cap is going much higher, so what would this extra 6 million in cap space get us next year? Not a hell of a lot.
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11-04-2014, 03:25 PM,
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Are you seriously asking why would we want more cap space for 2015? Also we had to give Cope the full MMLE to keep him. Instead we signed Artest and Udrih, moved at the time seemed great.

Talent wise it's a no brainer. I think JR sans some usual bad shots and questionable defensive decisions has been really solid for us. Especially with THJ essentially being a non factor rt now
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11-04-2014, 04:17 PM,
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You and I have major differences about what this team should do. In the past you have wanted guys like Eric Gordon, Irsan Ilyasova, Brandon Bass and others that I just completely dislike. Much in the way that you dislike JR.

I also think that cap space is nice to have, but not at the expense of a good player. I'm also not against trading JR, but it would have to be for a number one pick.

To me, you are not gong to win a championship with guys like Larkin, Gordon, Ilyasova and others you have suggested. That's an opinion, not a fact.
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11-04-2014, 10:18 PM,
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Gordon? That must of been when he was a Clipper. Bass is for this year b/c we need help. Not b/c he's a final piece to a contender. Ditto for Ersan 2 years ago. Ersan has looked horrible this year though. You didn't mention when I said sign Blatche that first year. Had a great yr in 12-13. Larkin is making plays out there. You're not watching the same game. I'd still take him over Jamal Franklin or Darius Morris. Aldrich is probably our best rebounder. He doesn't do anything else. I'm good with role guys who make the small plays and leave it on the court but will never blow up the box score. You're rt. We def look at building a contender differently.

JR has played well. I've been the first to give him credit. Just b/c I don't think he's a top 5 or even top 15 SG doesn't mean I haven't appreciated his renewed focus , or should I say new focus, on being team first. 6 mil in space could be huge for us next year as we try to add legitimate talent to be a contender. If he's here, I'll be fine if he stays with this mindset. If he's gone, I think we can find another guy with that money.
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