Dolphins at Bucs, Joint Practice, Day 2: What To Watch For?
08-14-2019, 12:55 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-14-2019, 12:57 AM by kingdolfan3.)
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Miami Dolphins at Tampa Bay Bucs, Joint Practice, Day 2: What To Watch For
By Joe Schad
Posted at 6:56 PM

What we’re told about Kenyan Drake’s injury and what we see from Preston Williams and Miami’s rookie guards and defensive ends

TAMPA — The Dolphins were inconsistent and at times, overpowered physically in the first of two joint practices at the Bucs on Tuesday.

Here are some things we’re watching for on Wednesday:
Kenyan Drake.

Drake limped off of the practice field early Tuesday with what appeared to be a lower body injury.

Coach Brian Flores did not offer details about the injury but did not seem overly concerned. “Hopefully it’s not too serious,” Flores said.

“Hopefully he’s back out there tomorrow.”

Flores declined to give specifics about why Jonathan Woodard’s season is over, and when the club hopes newly-signed Robert Nkemdiche will be able to practice or play.

Josh Rosen.

We know what Ryan Fitzpatrick is.

He’s a serviceable veteran quarterback with a sharp wit and glorious beard.

But each day we learn a little more about what Rosen is.

The Dolphins seem on a path to starting Fitzpatrick in the season opener, before likely giving way to Rosen at some point.

Flores really wants Rosen to earn first-team reps.

And it seems Flores wants to gauge how Rosen responds to both private and public criticisms.

3. Michael Deiter and Shaq Calhoun.

At times on Tuesday, the rookie starters at guard struggled against the likes of Ndamukong Suh, which is to be expected.

“We’re trying to develop young players,” Flores said.

In the first preseason game, the rookie guards had a few less-than-ideal moments.

Rookie Isaiah Prince had a rough practice at tackle after some solid reps in the preseason opener.

How he, Jesse Davis and Jordan Mills hold up in 1-on-1 pass rush drills will be telling.

The line is of major concern right now.

Preston Williams.

Preston Williams continues to dominate practice.

He is so quick, so sharp, so fluid, so athletic.

We know, we know.

We should curb the enthusiasm, right?

Well, when Xavien Howard, Kenny Stills and now even Flores are all putting their stamp of approval on this undrafted rookie, it’s time to take notice.

Of note, as well — Williams is flourishing no matter who is under center.

It’s time to start thinking not about if Williams will make the roster, but how much he’ll play.

The fact that we still don’t know when Albert Wilson will return to play in a game can only work to his advantage.

5. Jonathan Ledbetter and Dewayne Hendrix.
The undrafted rookie defensive linemen from Georgia and Pittsburgh made a positive impact in the first preseason game.

Ledbetter may hold up against the run and Hendrix provides pass rush.

It seems likely Nate Orchard, who has shown pressure skills, will be in the pass-rush rotation and Miami is hopeful fifth-rounder Andrew Van Ginkel will make an edge impact, too.

We just haven’t seen much from Charles Harris.

On Ledbetter and Hendrix, Flores said Tuesday:
“They both need to play with more consistency. They both flash some good things. I think if you’re in this league, you have the potential to at least flash. What it boils down to is can you do those things consistently?”
"Do or do not, there is no try."- Yoda
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08-14-2019, 12:59 PM,
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Drake is a walking boot =(
"Children are tiny versions of us minus the crushing failure"
08-14-2019, 02:49 PM,
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Drake is done for preseason
"Children are tiny versions of us minus the crushing failure"
08-14-2019, 02:58 PM,
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May be worth hanging onto Walton then, but he’ll need a solid camp/preseason
08-14-2019, 04:10 PM,
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(08-14-2019, 02:49 PM)Litefghtr Wrote:  Drake is done for preseason

Dolphins hopeful Kenyan Drake will be back for opener

Dolphins running back [/url]Kenyan Drake did not take part in Wednesday’s joint practice with the Buccaneers because of a foot injury that left him with a walking boot on his right leg and it sounds like he’ll be missing quite a few practices in the coming weeks.

Head coach Brian Flores said, via Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, that Drake is going to be [url=]out for a while
. Flores added that he’s hopeful Drake will recover from the injury in time to take part in the opener.

Drake said, via Cameron Wolfe of, that his injury is “nothing crazy” and that it will not derail his season.

While Drake’s expected back, the missed time could impact his role in the offense come the regular season. Kalen Ballage is already listed as a co-starter at running back with Drake and a strong couple of weeks could swing more snaps in his direction once everyone is healthy.
08-14-2019, 05:35 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-14-2019, 05:37 PM by kingdolfan3.)
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More K-Ball!

Stock up, stock down and other observations from Day 2 of Dolphins’ joint practice with Buccaneers
By Omar Kelly  and Safid Deen
South Florida Sun Sentinel |
Aug 14, 2019 | 3:19 PM| Tampa

Josh Rosen finally got the call-up to the Miami Dolphins first team, spending his first training camp practice working exclusively as a starter.

The quarterback Miami traded a 2019 second- and 2020 sixth-round pick for was handed the first-team offensive line, receivers and tailback on the second day of joint practices with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and the 2018 first-round pick held his own.

Outside of two passes thrown right to Buccaneers defenders that were dropped, Rosen’s performance was decent.

He didn’t have any plays that stood out, but neither did Ryan Fitzpatrick, who barely got time to work behind the Dolphins’ second-team offensive line.

Coach Brian Flores said Rosen got the promotion a day after he criticized the quarterback for bad body language because he wanted to see how Rosen handled Todd Bowles’ multi-look defense and whether Rosen would make appropriate pre-snap calls against the Buccaneers defense.

“I wanted to see him against that group and some of the exotic looks that [Bowles'] first team is giving us,” Flores said. “

We wanted Josh to see it today and that’s really what that was. ... I thought he had a good day and he’s headed in the right direction.”

Stock up
Kalen Ballage delivered big plays for the second straight day of Miami and Tampa Bay’s joint practices, showing Dolphins coaches that he could carry Miami’s offense if needed to do so.

Ballage scored on a 35-yard run to the right side of Miami’s offensive line.

The Buccaneers didn’t even touch him before he reached the end zone.

Ballage also caught a screen pass during 11-on-11s that could have turned into a score. 

With Kenyan Drake sidelined by what appears to be a right foot injury the Dolphins will need to see Ballage, a 2018 fourth-round pick, carry the backfield until Drake’s healthy enough to return.

Stock down
Charles Harris and Tank Carradine spent most of training camp work ing with the starting defense as Miami’s first-team defensive ends, but they’ve both been demoted to the second-team unit as Nate Orchard and Jonathan Ledbetter, an undrafted rookie from Georgia, have leapfrogged them on the depth chart the past two days.

The Dolphins defense could be working on a specific package this week, but having a former first-round pick like Harris replaced by an unheralded undrafted player can’t be ideal.

Miami’s coaches must of hoped that Harris and Carradine would take a step forward against the Buccaneers’ second-team offensive line.

Buccaneers receiver Mike Evans beat Dolphins cornerback Xavien Howard for a 50-yard touchdown pass on a deep throw from quarterback Jamies Winston.

Howard clearly read the play wrong and allowed Evans to get behind him. ...

Minkah Fitzpatrick jumped in front of a Winston pass, pulling down an interception during 11-on-11.

Fitzpatrick’s day was filled with highs and lows, primarily because of his struggles covering O.J. Howard and Cameron Brate, the Buccaneers’ two elite tight ends. ...

LB Nick Deluca pulled down an interception, and delivered a sack during 11-on-11 work. ...

WR Trent Irwin caught a 15-yard touchdown pass from Ryan Fitzpatrick, which followed an interception Fitzpatrick threw that was brought down by Buccaneers cornerback Mazzi Williams. ...

Laremy Tunsil sat out the final 11-on-11 sessions watching from the sideline as Jayrd Jones-Smith and Jordan Mills handled the left tackle duties. ...

CB Chris Lammons, a former Plantation High standout, began Wednesday’s practice working with the first-team defense at cornerback.

It was the first day Lammons has worked with the starting unit on the boundary.

Injury Update
Drake, who left practice early on Tuesday because of an injury, was spotted wearing a walking boot on his right foot. Flores said that the injury could sideline Drake for a few days, if not weeks, but wasn’t major. ...

Receiver DeVante Parker, who has been plagued my injuries the past few seasons, sat out Wednesday’s practice because of an undisclosed injury.

Preston Williams worked exclusively with the starting unit as Parker’s replacement at split end. ...

Albert Wilson, who is being brought back slowly from the hip injury he suffered last October, participated in 7-on-7 drills for the second straight day, which indicates he’s making progress with his rehabilitation. ...

Quote of the Day
“He’s got to play with better pad level, that’s for sure,” Flores said, critiquing rookie defensive tackle Christian Wilkins’ performance during the two joint practices.

“I hope he reads this. Somebody make sure that he reads that. He’s got to play with better pad level. ...

The early-down stuff is good.

The pass rush, his technique has got to get a little bit better.

Again, [lowering] pad level would help him.”
"Do or do not, there is no try."- Yoda
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08-15-2019, 08:41 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-15-2019, 08:43 AM by kingdolfan3.)
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Bucs Game Will Shed Light On Phins Practice Reports
August 14, 2019 M.J. Miami Dolphins News
Friday’s game, backed by Phins practice reports, will reveal quite a bit of ‘truth’ on the 2019 Phins

The first solid signpost for what this team is made of comes this Friday against the Bucs.

Yes, it’s only Week 2 of the preseason.

And no this doesn’t mean they won’t grow in the coming weeks and months.

But, given the reports of the Bucs / Phins practice and the live-action of their coming game to support it, that’s plenty of data to clear the picture up.

While the Bucs have some outstanding pieces, they are only an above-average squad, but they do have an elite Head Coach.

Phins will need to coach up their deficits, so this will be a great opportunity for both the players and staff.

While game planning will be all but nonexistent, putting the right players together from the 90 as well as the individual coaching and player responses are the keys to ‘seeing’ this team more clearly.

I’m not ‘NFL caliber’ at anything, but in my humble opinion, they need to put certain players to rest already…
… starting with Jordan Mills.

As of last practice, Mills was demoted to 3rd string due to lack of discipline and poor play.

Despite his million guaranteed, he’s terrible and reps are being wasted on him.

Even the pay per head sites say it’s time to cut bait… however problematic that is.

As Phinsnews had hoped, Brian Flores has moved up Nat Orchard and Jeremiah Ledbetter to 1st string.

The good and bad news is Ledbetter limped off the field and Dewayne Hendrix took his spot. Hopefully, both get their shot Friday.

This isn’t an indictment on Tank Carradine, but it might be on Charles Harris.

If he can’t produce against 2nd tier players, it might be time for him to go the way of Mills or at least head to the back of the line.

Mounting injuries though may mask a bit of the ‘truth’ he received though.

The list of injuries lengthened after this Phins practice
  • Surprise, surprise, DeVante Parker missed practice due to injury
    Kenyan Drake was injured and was walking in an air cast boot. Reports say he’ll be out a while.
  • Reshad Jones, Walt Aiken, Van Ginkel, Jakeem, Raekwon, Tankersley, Nkemdiche, Kiko, Cordrea Tankersley, and TJ McDonald didn’t practice Wednesday.
  • Poling and Allen were out Tuesday but didn’t see a confirm or deny for today.
  • Albert Wilson did see action in 7-7s
  • The fact that the Dolphins signed LB Nick DeLuca means Flores has concern for some of the injured LBs.
  • Phins released Jonathan Woodard who is out for the season

The ever problematic and crucial Offensive Line is at a critical juncture
  • Jesse Davis remains at RT and Shaq Calhoun at RG had another dominant run broke from behind them. Davis had some hiccups but was steady. He is a big key on Friday. Calhoun scored a nice PFF rating from Week 1 but had too many play-killing mental errors. Talent is there though.
  • Despite his talent, as wrote in his film study, Isaiah Prince is ultra raw. He was exiled from a drill on Tuesday because he did so poorly. He followed it with a terrible day today. We liked how he locked players down in Week 1 when he gets his hands on them, but he has a ton of issues around that strength. Practice squad will likely be his destination.
  • Michael Deiter had a few mental errors.
  • Bucs very talented and deep front manhandled most of the two practices. Over one stretch, Phins allowed three sacks and a false start in four plays.
  • Tackle try out had UDFA G/T Aaron Monteiro and T Jones-Smith getting reps. I liked Monteiro’s tape and surprised it took this long. He might find his home at Right Tackle or Right Guard.
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Flores needs some exclamation marks on the O-Line fast.

Depth is more of a concern than the starters.

Even with their mistakes, Deiter and Calhoun are equal, if not better, than Bushrod and Larsen.

that’s saying very little I know.

But, while not optimal (at their current developmental stage) Tunsil, Deiter, Kilgore, Calhoun, and Davis are doable in a down season.

The problem right now is there’s nothing behind the starting tackles.

Also, despite his solid PFF rating, Reed bothered me a bit a Center Week 1.

I wanted to see more from the vet against 2s and 3s.

Right now, Miami needs a ton of answers on the 2nd Tier OL.

Friday needs to provide some answers.

Rest of the Offense was solid in the Buc / Phins practice
  • Williams is getting a grilling by Flores before he gets 1st string. Reps as gunner and punt return are testing his mettle. I see 1st string coming.
  • O’Leary is leading the way at TE. Gesicki blipped in blocking and receiving. Smythe is showing here and there. But Allen hasn’t seen a live rep. How can the Phins keep him going into the season if this continues?
  • Stills is consistent. Albert had some live reps. Ford is showing. This unit will be fine.
  • QBs are having issues behind a porous O-line facing a fierce front, but it’s in a much better situation than previous years. Ruddock is an interesting situation. The kid is poised. Fitz will most likely start the season.
  • Ballage keeps looking good with a 70 and 35 yard TD runs. Although his awareness in the passing game is still a work in progress. Mark Walton is fighting off Gaskin for RB #3. Walton has some magic.

The defense has aways to go but it will be the team’s backbone.
  • DT Vincent moved up to 2nd string… he’s playing like 1st
  • Jomal Wiltz keeps showing something. If he eliminates his mental errors, he’ll make the team
  • Jerome Baker the alpha and leader of the Lbs
  • LB Tre Watson is making the most of his chances due to LB injuries. Very interested in seeing him Friday.
  • Walt Aiken flashed in his expanded role in Week 1, the brace on his right knee is a bummer.
  • Xavien Howard keeps generating turnovers
  • Eric Rowe continues his inconsistency due to injury and play
  • Nik Needham limped off the field
  • Charles Harris was manhandled and in frustration created some ‘brew haha’ with the Bucs.
  • Brian Flores reinforced a few times to Christian Wilkins if he lowered his pad level he’d be a better player
  • LB Nick DeLuca had a pick in 2nd string replacing the injured Van Ginkel
  • Dewayne Hendrix and Nate Orchard generated some pressure
  • Minkah has been struggling… and this ensued after the Phins practice…
Besides these note, two interesting storylines were generated from comments by Flores:
  • ‘Tackling was even worse (Week 1 game ) than thought after watching the film’
  • ‘Rosen needs to work on better body language to lead teammates.’
Josh Rosen actually made some changes today and shows he’s teachable.

It also shows this staff is building Rosen from the foundation up.

In my mind, this hints Rosen is the backup.

The lack of quality tackling on the Phins defense has been an issue over several regimes.

The only way Flores has a shot to turn this ‘bend but don’t break’ defense around is with good tackling.

An upgrade in tacking and the O-line showing progression is the #1 key we need to see against the Bucs.

If this is a quality staff both weaknesses will see positive growth this Friday.

Popcorn ready.

Go Phins!!!
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